Chirpers, Mavis here. We at We Chirp are many things, but close-minded is not one of them. Opinionated? Very. Brunette? Yep. Super dang smart? You betcha. Always willing to learn something new? Affirmative. We are lovers of others' points of view. We love to hear and take part in thought provoking conversations. Our (well, Dove's. But Hi PagerStalker, I'm Mavis - heard great things about you, can we be friends?) friend PagerStalker has written something so thought provoking that we had to share it.
Dove was a little worried that it might offend some of our readers but I assured her (and she knows) that we are a smart and deep bunch. Without giving my own opinion about this topic of which you are about to read (because you might be surprised and you will hear it soon), I ask that you read it, ponder it, mull it over or go right ahead and respond. But no matter what you think, we would love to hear it. Of course, we love it even more when it is done with respect and decorum. Since I read PS's essay a few days ago, it has made me think things over, rethink previous opinions, form stronger ones and had me befuddled for a moment.
One more thing before you begin, PS is a medical doctor, but he is not a plastic surgeon. He does not benefit from pushing more silicon or slicing and sucking. Oh, and he is not a chauvinistic jerk. This you should know as you read. Here goes...
So what I say may be a little offensive, or maybe not offensive, but certainly disagreeable. I would like to talk about beauty and sexual attraction for a moment. But let’s start with this concept:
Let’s say you have a child that is born with a cleft lip. A cleft lip does not really affect a person’s functionally (unlike a cleft palate which certainly does affect function.) So to fix this defect is clearly just cosmetic. However, all of you would not think it too vain to fix. For one, the child will suffer from being an object of ridicule – no doubt and will develop self-esteem problems. But what of the argument that he should just learn to love himself, just the way God, or the Great IS (a Jonathon Livingston Seagull reference – how cool am I) created him? Well, what if he was in a foreign land and came to this country as an adult – so no more children teasing? Would you allow him, or fault him to get it fixed then?
Now let’s change the scenario. Let’s say that you have a few kids. Having a large uterus stretches out the rectus sheath so that what once could have been a washboard tight stomach is now two inches apart - and that’s just the lateral stretch. You also get the vertical stretch that leaves extra skin and marks up the once smooth and silky tummy with stretch marks and an extra pouch. And here is the deal – no amount of running and/or sit-ups can change it.
Your breasts get filled with life-giving milk, and then, after stretching the supporting ligaments, the milk leaves – and after a few rounds of children, they become just a shell of what they once were. No bench pressing or whatever can restructure that stretched tissue.
So what is my point? Many people have a real problem with plastic surgery. They find it vain. I don’t. I think it very useful. Tell me seriously – what is the difference between the cleft lip person who wants to look normal, and the mom who wants to again look normal? We know what looks good on a face – and that is a complete lip. We also know what looks optimal on women – it is normal looking (full and perky– not big – I am NOT saying that) breasts and a flat stomach. Now I already know what some of you are thinking – you are saying that what I am calling good looking or pleasing is what society has told us what women need to look like - and that it is ridiculous and women should be able to look however they want and not by what society claims. Well, I have two things to say to that. First, I do agree that you can look like however you want and that is great to be totally comfortable with how you look and are. But I have NEVER met anyone that would take being 400 lbs over having a trim body if someone could wave a magic wand. They just wouldn’t. Second, I disagree COMPLETELY that it is what society says that looks good. It has nothing to do with society. It is complete physiology.
Take for example any animal in the kingdom of mammals. They each have characteristics that attract the opposite sex. The peacock that shows the most colorful and large array of feathers attracts the opposite sex peacock.

They aren’t thinking about it - they can’t convince themselves that this peacock is a good mom, or that they are really kind – because it is all chemicals. Well humans have those same drives and chemicals, and what most men are attracted to are perky boobs, small waist, and child bearing hips. Now I know there are exceptions, and I am also not saying that a man or woman can’t love someone that is 400 lbs.

They certainly can, and they certainly can get past this and not have it bother them. Humans do have this capability.

But what I AM saying is that every man would be more sexually attracted to his woman if she had those secondary sexual characteristics and body shape that God, or the Great IS intended (the same goes for men having an attractive physique as well). So, isn’t it strange to think that plastic surgery (to make the women a step closer to what is the perfect form) is wrong or vain? I just don’t get it. Further more, I have met MANY women who have had work done, and not a single one of them regret it. In fact, they all feel better about themselves and feel more attractive. How can that be a bad thing? Everyone wants to feel more attractive.
But here is the sad thing. My brother told me a story about an old friend of his that was a big tub of goo. He was still a funny and nice guy, but he had just changed from the stunning tan and buff guy that existed in high school. He later got a divorce despite his deep love for his wife and my brother saw him again about 6 or 8 months after the divorce. My bro made a comment like – oh my you look so great. And he said to him “I knew that I could never get a girl by looking the way I did, so I got in shape again.” When I heard this, I thought that this statement was very sad. I didn’t understand why he would get himself looking GREAT for someone he didn’t know or really care about, but he wouldn’t do the same for the person he cared about more than anyone else in this world.

So really, what is my point? My point is this. Everywhere I turn, it seems like someone is getting a divorce, or just went through a divorce, or is telling me about their problematic marriage, or whatever. I know marriage is complicated and at times attractiveness has little to do with it – but maybe sometimes it does have a little to do with it. I do know in some cases that it made a huge difference when the woman is not attracted to her man because he is a lardo (for example.) But here is the bottom line, I think if you really love your partner, you should want to please him in every way, and that means looking as good as you can – and sometimes that would include plastic surgery and I don’t think that is shameful or wrong at all. I know a great couple and they get up very early every morning and go to the gym together so that they will look good for one another. I just love that they do that.
But, if you don’t want to get sliced with the surgeon knife, then that is okay too, there are still a lot of other things you can do. And here is the truth about that--I think we learned a ton this last year hearing about Michael Phelp’s diet. He ate 12,000 calories a day, and looked rock solid. And it was crappy, crappy food. So what is the message? It matters very little what we eat, but matters a LOT what we DOOOOO. So do more. Park far away and walk fast to Wal-Mart or even run. Take the stairs all the time. Get on your bike. Run with the dog rather than walk. My brother in-law once lost a TON of weight by riding a bike everywhere he went along with lifting weights. The pay off is that not only will your friend/lover/domestic partner like the way you look; you will love the way you feel.
My new friend DOVE runs almost every morning. That is so very commendable and cool – and hard. Good job Dove!
So if you do get plastic surgery – I have some tips.
1. If you get a tummy tuck – make sure the surgeon combines the tuck with some side and flank lipo. This is very important in the final look of things. If you watch Dr. 90210, that fruitcake does not do this.
2. If you do get a tummy tuck, strongly consider getting the breast implants. It is a little more, but I have met many that regret not doing this at the same time as the tuck. It really adds to the look.
3. If you do get breast implants, look for a surgeon that does under the muscle. This leaves a much more natural look and feel. Plus they last much longer and stay looking normal much longer. In fact, they may never need revised, unlike over the muscle implants. Over the muscle implants eventually will stretch the skin and tissue, which will need a breast lift and revision eventually. Surgeons will often try to convince you otherwise because below the muscle takes more time and requires more skill. More time to do the surgery means less money for the surgeon. Plus, many never learned this better technique well.
4. Please don’t go BIG. At least in my taste, that looks ridiculous and fake. We are going for the perfect body, not the ridiculous “I work at HOOTERS” body. Gross.

Finally, I think you should feel lucky that physiology for humans is the way it is. It could be much worse. Did you know that to attract a female goat, the male goat would urinate on his head for the smell? See, aren’t we lucky?

-PagerStalker